Tuesday, October 26, 2010
Garvey and Edwin's Lessons - C Block
Garvey and Edwin explained that many events on the island would teach Cole something about himself. Of the various lessons that Cole learns, (through the soaking pool, ancestor rock, totem pole, animal sightings, and nightly dances) which do you think were most significant to Cole changing? Justify your response with evidence from the text. Please use proper spelling and grammar. No text speak.
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I think that tHe most important for cole to stop his anger is soaking in the pond every morning. I think that because it Numbs his whole body, and he forgets about his anger
i think the one that changed cole the most is soaking in the pond. it think it is because by soaking in the pond cole can just forget about everything including his anger. if cole doesnt soak in the pond he will be anry for the rest of the day.
I think that the lesson that had the biggest impact on Cole is when Edwin talked to him about the stick. I think this had the biggest impact on him because it really showed Cole that he can never get rid of his anger completely, but he can focus on happier things so he is not always angry. This teaches Cole how to lead a better, happier life where he is not as angry as often.
I thnk that the most important thing that Edwin and Garvey explained Cole was the nightly dances, because the dances made cole realize that animals are very important and we humans can relate to animals like Cole said that he was like a whale
I think the most significant lesson to Cole changing was the nightly dances. The anger dance especially, at that dance he learned about forgiveness.
I think that the anger dance was the most important to coles changes. It is important because this specific dance teaches cole about his whole experience on the island. Like how to forgive. How to look on the happy side of life and how to push out his anger.
the most important lesson is the nightly dances, i belive this becuase he learned the anger dance and to forgive people as well as himself. now he can start to heal and undo all the things he did wrong from dancing
I believe all the events were signifiGaNt to Cole, but if I had to choose one, I would cHoose the nightly dances, because in each dance, he learns something about himselF, like when He does the wolF daNce, he learns he needs help from others so heal and move on in life as a better person.
I agree 100% with Eddie because w/o soaking in the pond every morNing, means that ColE is going to have a rough day.
I think the most important aspect to Coles change was the nightly dances. I think so because they actually teach him things while the soaking and rolling the ancestor rock are just phsycological things to help him relieve his anger and or stress. Like when Cole shows Peter his morning routine that Edwin had showed him it didn't have to necesarily work Cole just had to think it did. So if Edwin had told him to meditate instead Cole probably would have still "calmed his" anger, but when he does the dances he finds good things about him and things he can work on.
I think that the the soaking pool was most significant because there he felt part of the landscape and the cold water numbed his body so he was able to think more clearly states this on page 164.
What do you think is the most important Ms.Sullivan?
Natalie,
You are correct in saying that the anger dance allows Cole to learn about forgiveness. Could you provide some examples from the text?
Hayley, I agree totally with what you said. Do you think that the lesson that Edwin taught Cole, Cole taught Peter?
I agree with Jimmy, because it really does reflect on all of Cole's experiences on the island
Natalie, what else did cole learn form the dances?
I also think that the pond is very important to Coles healing process because he clears his mind and pushes away his anger, and because of the frezzing water it helps cole think about something else than his anger.
Anna, wEll yes he did teach it to Peter and I think it really helped Peter see that Cole is not anGry at him anymore and will not hurt him.
Joao, how do you think it helps Cole to relate to the animals? Can you be more specific?
The ancestor rock and the soaking in the pond are totally different things to help his anger. The pond is were Cole Goes to release his anger and the ancestor rock is when cole releases his anger
Andrew, do you think the benefit of soaking in the pond is that his body becomes numb? How does that help him with his anger?
Also if Cole gets Peter to do the dances he may eventually do the anger dance and learn how to forgive Cole for smashing his head into a sidewalk.
yeah i pretty much agree with edward
Natalie, in what way did the dances help him?
I think that the most significant lessons that Cole learned came from soaking in the pool. I think that once he understood Edwin's metaphor of "not being able to break the elft side of the stick" showed him that while anger will always be in his heart, it's something that he can control.
I think the part that had more effect on cole was when Edwin talked to him about the stick.That was when cole finally realized that he will never be able to get rid of his anger but he can always try to occupie his mind with something else to forget about his anger. Cole started to focus on that and started living a better life with less stress and anger.
I think that the soaking pool was more important because cole dnt remember about his anger issues that he has.
Jimmy, why was it important for Cole to forgive? Who did he have to forgive?
Ms. Sampson,
SOme examples from the text is when, (on page 194)Cole quotes " im sorry, im sorry, I forgive you, I forgive you" , while crying. THis shows that he learned about forgiveness and wants to forgive people and wants people to forgive him.
Lizmary do you agree w/ Edward because of the pond?
Yes, I agree with CAssio. I think if Cole has Peter do the anger dance, when he is ready, it will help Peter to learn how to Forgive and move on in his life.
I think peter does feel a little safer because Cole doesn't fight back but i dont think that it is possible for the rest of the community to see how much he's changed because they could still think ges lying.
Eddie, how does forgiving help Cole to heal?
I don't think Peter needs to do an anger dance becasue anger isn't Peter's problem.
Ms. Sullivan,
The dances helped Cole let his feelings out about everything that happened on the island.
Andrew,
In what ways are the moments Cole has in the pool and with the rock different? How are these actions doing the same thing, releasing his anger, in a different way?Think about how Edwin uses a stick to describe anger.
yes i do Andrew. 100%
Personally i think all of the events are good because they all fit under the same lesson of life is what you make it.
Ms. Sullivan,
When Cole is in the pond it numbs his whole body and he forgets about the anger and worries about how cold it is.
Jimmy,
The rest of the community is going to go by what Peter thinks. If Peter forgives him he really has changed because after what Cole did its hard to forgive.
Jimmy,
The rest of the community is going to go by what Peter thinks. If Peter forgives him he really has changed because after what Cole did its hard to forgive.
Justin, but Peters angry at Cole and maybe needs to let his feelings out.
Cassio, you make a good point about Cole actually learning from the dances, whereas some of the other activities strategies to help him calm himself. What do you think was the most important dance for him? Was there one that was more significant than others?
I agree with what Cassio has been saying.
Natalie,
What dance did you think was most importaNt to Cole?
I think that the most important Routine that Cole does is the nightly dances because everytime he does it , it teaches him a lot and makes him realize things that have happened in his life before.It also makes him realize what kind of person he was and how he should of react to things differently .
Justin, I think Peter should do the anger dance because Cole also learned to forgive during it. Yes Peter is not very angry but he is angry at Cole and will remain angry until he knows hot to forgive him and move on.
Andrew, whats the difference form the pond and the ancestor rock?
Mrs.Sullivan
forgiving is a part if healing becuase you have to forgive yorself for what you did
Cassio i personally think that peter really hasn't forgiven cole yet. Peter still has anger inside him.
Sure, he's angry, but I think his real problem is that he's scared. By the way Peter reacted when coming to the island, he was more scared than angry. If anything, he needs to do a scarey dance.I know that Peter later goes on to fight Cole, but that's becasue he feels more powerful and that he can rid himself of his fear by attacking Cole.
The anger dance Andrew!
Well Justin on page 227 when Peter says to Cole "It doesn't mean we're friends" it kinda does show that Peter needs to do some dances. Dances are all apart of healing too. And on page 235 he starts punching and kicking Cole with all he had
I think the ancestor rock is the most important to Cole because from my point of view this is when Cole changes the most. On page 155 Cole is first taught how to use this method and he thinks it is ridiculous! Cole is told by Edwin that he has to pretend that the rock is hes ancestors and he needs to treat them with care. From this point forward Cole really thinks this is stupid because why treat a rock with care if you're goin to roll it down a hill. After Cole rolls the rock down the first time Edwin tells him to pretend that this rock is his anger and to throw it away. Cole learns the meaning of this teaching and he later teaches Peter this method of getting rid of anger.
i also think that going up the hill with the rock and then roling it down the hill hellps him forgive his anger because if he doesnt role away his anger than the anger that he wasnt able to role away will stay with him for the day and he will have some anger in him.
I don't think the anger dance was THAT helpfull it was just another anger releasing method. The wolf dance might have been the most important for showing trust and saying that it's okay to ask for help because with trust comes someone to talk to which is already a anger relief, but i think all the animal dances where important.
Anna the pond is were Cole forgets about his anger, and the ancestor rock is when he releases his anger. I know it's not much of a difference, but thats my opinion.
I agree with brianna,even if i had different answer.
Fair eNough Natalie
Eustaquio, I don't think there's a single lesson that would have changed Cole completely; he needed to go through the whole process. But if there's one turning point for him it was being mauled by the bear. That event opened him up to the possibility of change. It gave him a reason to want to change when he didn't have one before.
Andrew, Oh okay your first answer about that didnt make sense but now i see whatyour talking about.
I agree with Eustaquio about the dances.
Justin, peter doesn't fell more powerful he say's that he just doesn't care if cole beats him up.
Natalie, Jimmy and Cassio,
You have all brought up Peter in your posts. How does the action of teaching this to Peter help Cole further heal? What can Peter learn from these routines as well?
So Andrew, do you think that soaking in the pool prepares Cole for carrying and rolling the ancestor rock? Would he be able to do one without the other?
Nate, I agree with you on your answer and think the ancestor rock is the most important to.
Nate,
What do you think is most important for Cole to release his anger?
I agree with Cassio when he says that anger dance was just another way to release anger. I think the difference between the dance and the pond/ancestor rock was that during the dance, Cole attacked his anger hgead on in order to deal with it, while the other two did help him release, but not as much as the anger dance did.
Thanks Pri
I also agree with Cassio because the dances were just ways of showing what he learned of that animal. But in addition to the wolf dance I believe that the anger dance was helpful of getting rid of his anger.
Nice , Mayza
in my opinion i think he that the rolling the rock thing as a joke becuase when he did it the first time he started making jokes like the must have a headach
To me all were very important to Cole's change. They all played a big role and taught different things
Sampson it can teach Peter forgiveness which might result in a friendship between Peter and Cole (but ulikely) which will give Peter less fear a friend and probably down his suicidal thoughts/ attempts.
I agree with Jimmy. Peter really kind of gives up the will to live and doesn't care what happens to him anymore. Although when Cole and Peter, twoards the end of the book, start to become friends, I think Peter feels safer and happier so he wants to live.
That's what I inferred, Jimmy. On page 236, Peter says: "You're scared of me!"
np bri (: lol
Cassio and Hayley, do you agree with Edwin and Garvey that to truly heal Cole and Peter need to forgive? What happens if they don't forigive?
Andrew,
I cleary said what I think was the most important for releasing of Cole's anger.
:)
Mrs. Sullivan, I guess he could skip the pond and go straight to the rock. However he might be angry carrying it because he didn't forget about his anger in the pond.
I'm having a hard choice to actually think of which event is the best because everyones justifications to their responses are really good.
Justin, you don't think that Peter carries around some pretty serious anger toward Cole?
And Justin Peter wasnt very scared when Cole wasn't fighting back he took that time to unleash anger which overwhelmed him.
Sorry Nate but I didn't see it.
Ms. SAmpson, Peter can learn the same things Cole did by doing these routines. He can learn about forgiveness and trust like Cole did.
Touching Spirit Bear is a good Book
I agree with Eustaquio 110% Its really hard to choose now with everyone's arguments and such
But Justin peter is just trying to get him angry. Peter was just bluffing he doesn't mean anything when he said that.
Mrs. Sullivan, I do agree with Edwin and Garvey when they say Cole and Peter need to forgive. If they don't forgive they will never be able to move on and lead better lives.
Honestly all of them help him .
That's what I said earlier, Cassio, Peter felt he had more power over Cole.
I forgive you Andrew
Andrew, when he uses the rock he doesn't just release his anger, he thinks about his past and what he has gone through in life while he rolls the rock up the hill.
i think if they don't forgive hewouldnt be on the island anymore they'd remove him he's go back to not feeling sorry for Peter and more for himself.
:P
Cassio, how much longer do you think Cole could of taking the beating from Peter, until he fought back
i agree with Joao 99.99%
I agree Joao.
Natalie,
You are correct. The lessons taught by these routines can be learned by anyone willing to participate. Could you offer an example as to how these lessons helped Peter grow?
Justin,
Do you think that if Peter kept kicking Cole, Cole whould have fought back?
Andrew, I think that soaking in the pond is about more than how cold Cole is feeling. That may have been true in the beginning, but I think towards the end when he's on the island by himself he realizes that he actually is clearing his mind from everything while he's in the pond. He's not just worrying about how cold he is. That's why he was able to become "invisible".
Andrew, he obviously wasn't going to fight back he understood he had to be patient and Peter was frustrated. If he resorted to violence it would show he hasn't learned to much from his experience.
Justin he really doesn't have more power over Cole. Peter just thinks that is life is worthless and it wouldn't even matter if cole killed Peter.
Eustaquio, what do you think about Peter beating up Cole. How much more could Cole have taken?
Everyone who's been posting about Cole soaking in the pond, can you explain how that relates to him becoming "invisible", and why it was so important for him to do that?
Whos the anonymous putting random smiley faces?
I agree with everyone because there is no one right answer.If that makes sense .
I think Peter wants revenge on him and wants Cole to feel how he felt. I think Cole couldn't have withstanded the beating much longer, otherwise he wouldn't have cried stop.
Natalie, why is it important for Cole to let his feelings out?
To me Peter doesnt want revenge, he was just overwhelmed and he just needed to release it. I think it was because of the anger he wanted to end his life?
Jimmy, on page 236 Peter even says that he's scared. There's no evidence better than that. He also states that his thinking gets mixed up, much like Cole and his anger, but with fear instead.
Yeah, but wouldn't you think he wanted to do something to just defend himself, w/o fighting back? What would you do if you were Cole?
Anna i agree with your answers.
i didnt understand. Why didnt Cole just beat Peter up when he hit him. if I was Cole i would've broken peter's neck
Andrew,
do you think Cole and Peter will become friends, after all thats happened and how Cole's changed? Justify your response with evidence form the text.
justin sorry i dont have my book did peter say he was scared of cole.
Eustaquio.
cole would of stood there and taking for houres if that what it took
I agree with Natalie. Who puts smiley faces on a book blog? This isn't a book to be putting smiley faces wherever you want!
Justin I agree with Jimmy Peter's angry after he unleashed his anger he got overwhelmed and sarted saying he's scared.
Ms. Sullivan, Its importamt for Cole to let his feelings out because he can't keep things bottlet up inside him.
Lizmary,
If anger was pushing Peter to end his life, then how will his tim eon the isaland heal him? (Think of the lessons of the stick and the rock).
Nate, I do think Cole would of fought back eventually, but more of self defense than actually trying to hurt Peter. I think he'd just knock Peter down and get away.
Thanks for backing me up Cassio.
Eustaquio,
I think that cole and Peter will become friends! However, Cole is going to have to be patient w/ him, like Garvey and Edwin were to him. Whatb do you think?
Andrew i think they wont because the next time they see each other they may start a fight and kill each other
Well Ms.Sullivan, i think it helps Cole to become invisible because when his body numbs from the freezing water his thoughts become very distant from him, he can relax and think clearly. Becoming invisible is not about being seen or heard, its about clearing his mind. Cole made this discovery when he was going to bed.
Justin, I agree that Peter has a huge chunk of fear that he's carrying around with him, but I think that very often when people feel that way they become angry, too; angry at the person who makes them feel afraid and angry at themselves for feeling so powerless. That seemed to be what was coming out when Peter fought Cole.
Nate,
What do you mean by, "This isn't a book to be putting smiley faces wherever you want!"?
Who Really enjoyed the book . ?
Joao,They are already on the island together.
Justin,
Do you think that he would he would gotten in trouble though because Peter would of probably told on Cole?
Did you mean blog...
mrs sullivan , i think its was important for him to do that because most of coles feeling is anger, anger, anger. so i thought it would be good for him to change that feeling.
Edward, haven't heard from you in a while.
Ignore my last 2 comments...
Does anybody here think that Peter and Cole will become really good friends?
But Cole is just waiting for his circle justice thing to end and then his anger and power will come back and he will kill Peter or at least but him in a comma
Justin,
What would you do if you were Cole to stop Peter from hurting you?
what i just wrote was for Andrew
Does anyone think that the methods that have helped Cole could help Peter with his anger?
I dont think Cole is just waiting for the circle justice to be over and than to just go hurt Peter again. I think he has really changed.
joao,
how do you know that
Joao i don't think so, but if he gets back to civilization and an't find a way to control his anger. maybe.
Eustaquio,
I was just wondering who is posting random smiley faces. It is getting in the way of our blog and is distracting.
Joao,
Do you not believe the change that Cole seems to have made? Do you think this is an act just as it was in the beginning of the book? Why do you feel that he has not really learned anything?
Nate, I think that Cole wouldn't have gotten in trouble becasue he was the one who got more hurt and he only hit Peter to get away. But this is all hypothetical, so I don't know. What do you think?
Hopefully not Joao because he has com too far to just bring back his answer.
Cassio and Justin, what was the real significance of the Anger Dance? Think about last night's questions for homework.
I disagree with Anna because we don't know how he can handle being OFF the island
i agree with nate about the smiley faces.
Edward,
Do you think that Cole changed so much that if Peter beat him up he wouldn't go after him?
Mayza , I dont know if I enjoyed it .
Edward i know that because if a person had anger since he was a kid, its not easy to get rid of it anger is like dry gum on the bottom of your shoes
I agree with Anna, it's pretty evident that Cole's changed. All throughout the book he's showed that he's changed, and he uses pushing the rock up the hill as a metaphor for it.
Finally someone agrees with me! I love this blog!
Anna,
Can you provide some evidence as to how Cole has really changed?
Why not brianna?
ANNA,
Iagree w/ you because if he hurts Peter badly than all this stuff to help Cole would Go to waste.
Cassio, With Peter being on the island Cole has had so mant chances where he could just kill poeple is he really wanted to. He was the one who wanted Peter to come to the island. DO you think hes really going to want to kill him after all of this?
I agree with Anna, and if he was faking, we would have known by now.
Anna/Natalie? anyways i disagree because mostly that doesn'y make sense to me i missed that part
I agree with Eustaquio and Anna
I think that when Cole is home, off the island, he will have some touble not getting angry because he won't have the pond, and he can't carry the ancestor. Although he will have some trouble though, I think that he will be able to stay not angry and stay the way he is now.
I think the siginificance to the anger dance was forgiveness.
Good blog guys, bye!
good blogging everyone!
I agree with Cassio!
great blog guys.
I dont Know . I Had mixed feelings bout it.
Ms. Sampson,
Cole did a whole dance about anger. As edwin said you can;t just do the dance of anger it has to come to you. SO by the anger dance coming to him it means hes learned something and changed
BYEEEE ! (: hahaha ..
I disagree...
cheese
Yes Justin,
But on page 217 Mr. Driscal (Peter's dad) says if you lay one hand on my son you'll be in big trouble.:)
with Anna...
TO ALL,
I think Cole has Come a far way and I hope he can still keep controlling his anger and helping peter
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